All for those 72 virgins?

Let me make it clear – I am a Muslim and I’m proud of it. I pray. I whisper in my childs ear that Allah keep him safe from harms way. I pray that one day we find peace in this messed up world. where we have fairer foreign policies and that the value of a human being is not less than a barrel of oil or a lump of gold. That the people of Palestine can return to their homeland and live in peace with their Israeli neighbors. I also pray to Allah for the people of Iraq to rise once acain and be a powerful nation which is based on a democratic and fairer society.

I’m disturbed by the way suicide bombers are being inticed into commiting acts of terror. They are told of the prospects of having 72 virgins in paradise if they blow themselves up (of course many are also offered financial compensation for years to come for their families in Iraq, Palestine etc too).

All for those 72 virgins?

Omar Khadr’s little brother mentioned in an interview with 60 Minutes that he wished he had died so he could enjoy the scent of the 72 virgins waiting for him in paradise. He wanted to die for Allah.

I do not know which God he is talking of. It is not the Allah I have learnt about since childhood which I have cupped my hands in duahs to, to ask for mercy for the soul of my father and all our forefathers. He is not the Allah I have worshipped since a child, and neither the Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate which I teach my child about. As a parent, as an adult we have the responsibilty to avoid poisoning the mind of innocent children to fight our wars.


~ by no2wars on 15/12/2008.

11 Responses to “All for those 72 virgins?”

  1. I have nothing to argue with you about in your article except the parts about “72 virgins”, its okay that we defend Islam against extremest. But we should not mock a saying of our messenger sws.

  2. And which saying is this? The one which has been distorted and manipulated and fed to boys who are at a tender age where lust is on their minds, or to men who have nothing left on earth to live for?
    I found the following disputed Hadith which fanatics have clung to, to persuade men to blow themselves up:

    Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:
    The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]“

    This Hadith is unverified and therefore not one which Islamic scholars place emphasis on. It is also a contrast to the Quranic text which does not mention “72 virgins”.

  3. Again, I do not have a problem with you attacking extremist in Islam, in actually I want to join you in attacking them. One of the most sickening things is them distorting Islam, but Mocking the saying of our prophet is unacceptable. That hadith that you pasted might be “unverified” but that is just one hadith. But the other hadith, and verse of the Qur’an are verified. For example another Hadith narrated by Imam Al Tirmidhi which has been classified as a hasan hadith.
    “The martyr (shaheed) has seven blessings from Allaah: he is forgiven from the moment his blood is first shed; he will be shown his place in Paradise; he will be spared the trial of the grave; and he will be secure on the Day of the Greatest Terror (the Day of Judgement); there will be placed on his head a crown of dignity, one ruby of which is better than this world and all that is in it; he will be married to seventy-two of al-hoor al-‘iyn; and he will be permitted to intercede for seventy of his relatives.”

    This hadith is also narrated by Ibn Maajah in al-Sunan, by Ahmad, by ‘Abd al-Razzaaq in al-Musannaf, by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, and by Sa’eed ibn Mansoor in al-Sunan)

    Also the Qur’an mentions the hoor al-‘iyn, (50:70-76), (44:54), (52:20), (56:22-23)

    Yes attack the extremist, but do not attack the Messenger of God.

  4. Also just to add the scholars who say that there will not be 72 hoor ul ayns agree that there will be 2 according to an authentic hadith in Sahih Bukhari.

  5. Attack the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h)? What are you talking about?
    I resent it when people squash any possibility for discussion by claiming that any discussion about Hadiths or Islam, which some find contradictory or questionable, is an attack on the prophet. Are you saying that we should silence our voices and believe blindly everything we read which is about Islam? Is that not contradictory to suras in the Quran which encourages believers and nonbelievers to challenge the Holy Book?

    When I started to read about Islamic history I was surprised to learn that Islamic civilization was at it’s zenith when free thought was encouraged. Islamic scholars and philosophers studied, discussed and challenged what they read and in this way it also helped to encourage progress. I wish to God we could learn from our history and do the same. Instead we repeat what the Mullahs parrot to us – their version of our religion poisoned with their political rantings and cultural superstitions. Backdated old fools who attempt to indoctrinate young boys and girls to go back to the way the prophet (pubh) lived. But they omit an important point:
    Our prophet was ahead of his time. He was a progressive thinker and demanded that barbaric acts be eradicated for the best of society. The challenge for us Muslims is not to try to go back in time but to move forward. The Quran does not tell us to remain in the 700s.

    I suggest that you read this:

    Also Wikipedia has the following:

  6. Prophet (PBUH) himself said that anything I say that goes against the Quran should not be accepted. That is the golden principle used to verify the hadith. Here we have two problems, Suicide is haram and the killing on one person is akin to killing the whole of humanity.That is from Quran. Now one only has to use their critical thinking to come to a conclusion that if someone blows him or herself up and kills innocent civilians it is a crime of mammoth proportions and condemnable in every possible way. To die in self defense for your values or beliefs is something else and Quran only allows battle in self defence and that should be proportional to the attack. This is what we now refer to as Geneva conventions. The word Jihad has not been used (as far as I know) in relation to battle, its Qatal.

    Secondly, The word hur is open to interpretation and does not literally mean a woman. As women are to get the same reward in heaven as men, are we to expect that women are going to get women too or will they get men? Many learned scholars agree that Hur is actually purity of mind and being i.e. to say free from any evil and malice.

    We only have to use a little bit of logic and that is what Quran asks us to do, continuously.

    P.s. Don’t rely too much on Memri. Their translations are dodgy and the head of this organization is pro-Zionist.

  7. Again, I do not disagree with attacking the extremist, but mocking the hadith they use is mocking a saying of Muhammad SWS. No one is speaking of what year we live in. I have studied Uloom ul hadith and Usul ul hadith, and I only make taqlid(blind following) when it comes to fiqh, which I have also had the opportunity to study. I have even had the opportunity to dip my feet in kalam(islamic philosophy). I’m not saying that defending Islam against extremist is wrong, just make sure it does not mock the Messenger of God. What does progressing have to do with mocking the messenger of God? Can you not progress without mocking him?

    To me Memri=Rand, What they say effects me about as much the new haircut of Britney Spears.

    Now on to the hadith of 72, lets go by the opinion that it is daif, yet at Tirmidi said it was hasan. Making fun of it is still mocking the Messenger of God(remember the ruling is da’if not fabricated), since most people assume this is coming from Muhammad SWS him self. Is there a way we can mock the extremist without bringing in something that goes back to the Messenger of God SWS?

    Sana, About Huri meaning “purity of mind” I have not read this from any respectable scholar. Since it doesn’t make logical sense, according to the verses of the Qur’an. This interpretation is ta’weel ba’eed.

  8. I question whether the suicide bomber in palestine really does blow himself and others up to get the 72 virgins, I think thats an emphasis of the orientalists. I think people rather do this out of desperation.

  9. Shoaib thats true and I also had similar thoughts until I saw the video of Omar Khadrs’ younger brother willing to die to be “shaheed” and the scent of the 72 virgins as he called them.
    I guess I dislike the focus on the 72 virgins because it makes Muslims out to be driven by their instinct – like frustrated animals instead of rational human beings.

  10. I wouldn’t blame all Palestinian suicide bombers on Religion based extremism. I recommend reading a study by Princeton professor Richard Falk, about Palestinian suicide bombers and the psychological war by Israel which is creating them. He has written some amazing works.

  11. True but Islam is hijacked by extremist groups to justify slaughter of innocents.
    Israel-Palestine issue is a sensitive topic and deserves more space than just a few lines here. But the blame on the situation can be placed at the feet of the USA, Israel, Middle Eastern countries and all those who have the power to make a change but instead keep their silence.

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