Norway: political train strike for GAZA today

Oslo gathering for people in Gaza 8th January 2009

40 000 people gathered in Oslo for Gaza Thursday, 8th January 2009

Demonstrations have now been held in at least 28 cities in Norway:

Oslo, Stavanger, Sandnes, Fredrikstad, Trondheim, Hamar, Sortland, Namsos, Arendal, Norheimsund, Mosjøen, Bergen, Sarpsborg, Tønsberg, Harstad, Tromsø, Kristiansand, Notodden, Vadsø, Mo i Rana, Alta, Kirkenes, Røros, Volda, Halden, Gjøvik, Lillehammer, Selbu.

The numbers of participants have never been bigger.

Union activities:

POLITICAL STRIKE: Thursday ALL trains in the whole of Norway, and all trams and subways in Oslo, will stand still for two minutes as a result of a political strike organized by the Norwegian Locomotive Union and the Oslo Tram Workers Union in protest of the Israeli invasion of Gaza.

A large selection of Norwegian trade unions and organizations has endorsed a new campaign for the withdrawal of all State investments in Israel. The call is endorsed by so far 6 of the largest national trade unions.

The Union of Trade and Office Workers calls on all members to ask their employers to remove Israeli produtcts from stores. The union is the by far largest union of workers in all types of private and public stores in Norway.

The confederation of Norwegian Trade Unions (LO), with apr. 1/5 of the whole Norwegian population as members, condemns the Israeli bombing and invasion in Gaza and calls for demonstrations.

The Norwegian Church has protested Israels invasion of Gaza and was, according to media, “called to the carpet” by the Israeli embassador.

We have started a 24 hour vigil in Oslo for the people in Gaza. We are selling candels which people can place on a mount. We also have a metal fence with ribbons for each of the dead in Gaza. A red one for the adults and a pink one for the children. The death toll is 770 i Gaza and rising. The carnage and destruction is horrific.

Tens of Thousands march for Gaza in Oslo

Vigil for Gaza. We now have hundreds of lights

Vigil for Gaza. We now have hundreds of lights

1000s of candels for peace in Gaza in Oslo

1000s of candels for peace in Gaza in Oslo

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~ by no2wars on 09/01/2009.

76 Responses to “Norway: political train strike for GAZA today”

  1. Hi.
    I am glad you are reporting on this event. It’s important that as many as possible get to know that most people in Norway opposes the Gaza war.

  2. I totally agree. Maybe Norway can lead the way in a full-blown sanction. But first they have to stop selling oil and weapons to Israel.

  3. No 2 wars? How ridiculous! If the Second World War wasn’t fought, you’d be all wearing swastikas and going, ” Zeig Heil!” but perhaps that’s really your Utopian dream!

  4. Why haven’t any of you shouted out about the rockets that have been fired towards Israel for years. No 2 Wars? You really love them! You don’t talk peace. You talk hate. You should all wake up to the fact that prior to 1948, Palestine was a British mandate, the coinage was sterling, it flew the British flag and Jews and Arabs lived there. Prior to that it was Turkish. East Jerusalem was in Jordan. Shalom!

  5. wow…the arab countries should be ashamed of themselves…instead of condemning israel..they are just sitting like silent sheep.
    I hope more countries follow in the footsteps of norway and take action like this.

  6. boycote Israeli goods and buyes.

  7. The irony of this whole thing is that Israel won’t win unless Israel manages to make peace with the Palestinians. And the poorer Palestine remains, the higher the birthrate, and the lower the probability that Jews in Israel have any demographic hope of surviving in power for an extended number of years. But hey, the US gets to sell weapons, and the Arabs get to see a higher oil price! Everyone should be happy!

  8. Question: did the trains in Norway also stop when Hamas was sending thousands of Qassam rockets at Israeli civilian areas over the past few years, or does this sort of protest only get triggered when Jews are using weapons?

  9. How many Israelis have qassam rockets killed? How many civilians that have nothing to do with any military? ever Israeli over 18 has to serve in the army. Israeli civilians are rare. qassam rockets have bad aim. How many innocent Palestinians have been killed by Israel’s ( USA’s ) accurate pin point missiles ? and one final question.. how many Israelis died by friendly fire ? Israel killed more of their own people than hamas has. Israel is a terrorist. Not to mention all the false flag operations Israel has performed on its own people. Oh yeah, all those Israelis in Palestine, where did they come from ? where are their ancestors from ? Russian jews and European jews have no ancestors from there.. They are converts. Its the Palestinians that have been farming that land for centuries… back since moses.. Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians, and Muslim Palestinians all lived there for thousands of years, until WWII and now every convert jew think they can kick out a Palestinian from his home because ” its their promised land” bull sh** terrorists.

  10. Leave Israel alone. A small country surrounded by homicidal muslims is allowed to defend herself. Hamas – quit using babies as shields. Stand up like real men instead of pitiful cowards.

  11. The so-called Palestinians won’t lift a finger to help their own people. They are destructive and not productive. If you give a Palestinian a dollar, he/she will use it to kill a Jew, even if their child needs it for medicine. Then, they will blame the Jew for not having medical care for their children. The world is sick of your bs. People with two brain cells know you are full of crap with your Pallywood productions and victim mentality. Instead of farming and producing, you destroy everything around you. That is the real truth. Please face the truth; it will set you free.

  12. If people really want to know why certain Israelis don’t mind killing babies read the Talmud and Learn about the rights of the goyim. The Palestinians are goyim, worthless and expendable. This is fascist Zionist ideology. Go on shout anti-Semite. Judaism has nothing to do with Zionism. But the hate in the Talmud can not be overlooked.

  13. Wow, that is WAY cool!

    jes
    http://www.internet-privacy.pl.tc

  14. Get real! If Hamas and the rest of Islam would accept Israel’s right to exist and work to make the middle east a place for all to live there would be NO WAR or KILLINGS. This is self defense.

  15. Right to exist? HA, if Israel has the right to defend herself, so do the Palestinian people. A family friends uncle was kicked off of his land in Palestine, his home bulldozed right in front of him and his families eyes. What about his right to exist? And the thousands of others?

  16. Right to exist? HA, if Israel has the right to defend herself, so do the Palestinian people. A family friends uncle was kicked off of his land in Palestine, his home bulldozed right in front of him and his families eyes. What about his right to exist? And the thousands of others?

  17. Do not worry! Norway is next to be occupied by Islamic terrorists! Treason will not help you. I hope that kassams will fall on your heads soon!

  18. Norway, be ashamed!

    Hamas is the elected government of Gaza; it is time for the Palestinians to grow up. Gaza is not an occupied country, and it receives enormous amount of aid from Europe, US and Arab countries. With its ideal location it should be a place of gleaming skyscrapers, efficient ports and teeming resorts. BUT NO! Every dollar and Euro is spent on death. The charter of Hamas contains explicit racits and genocidal language. What can you expect? – that Israel will just lie down and die?

    What would you like your government to do if Denmark claimed your land based on historical precident, sent suicidal bombers to your streets, and started lobing rockets into Norway? Would you just capitulate? Probably.

  19. Gee, if Sweden starts lobbing missiles your way, and sends young boys and dimwitted women strapped with bombs to kill you citizens on those trains that are stopping, I guess we can expect Norway to just look the other way, right?

    And when radical Muslims flew planes into tall buildings killing almost 3,000 Americans, did you stop the trains to protest radical Muslims?

    If Hamas lays down it’s weapons, whould Israel stop bombing the Gaza? Yes. If Israel laid down it’s weapons, would Hamas quit sending suicide bombers into Tel Aviv? Would Hamas quit bombing Israel?

    You people are pathetic. Why don’t you just create Shi’ria law in Norway today and be done with it. Your nation is lost.

  20. Hmmm…pretty inpressive…especially since I remember seeing palestinians burning Norwegian (and Danish) flags two years ago in protest against Danish and Norwegian papers publishing the infamous Mohammad Cartoons.

  21. Wonder how long it will take for Giyus / Megaphone to pick up this article.

  22. Which fool said “Gaza is not an occupied country”? Do you know how big Gaza is? It is about 40km of land. 40km!! They have NO WATER, they are blockaded in, It is the worlds most densely populated peice of land in the world – with a shocking 1,5 million people living there, and under 50% are under the age of 18.
    Using children as sheilds?
    Have any of you lived under occupation? Bullied, beaten at check-points and dehumanised?
    IRA, ANC, PLO (Fatah) all have something in common with Hamas, All of them came into being due to occupation and oppression. The aggressors are not the Palestinians, but the Israelis who have stolen the land of the indigenous people.

  23. Let’s hope Israel facilitates the martyrdom of thousands more jihadis. What would General Sherman do? War is all hell. Think twice before you provoke a stronger enemy. Wait that doesn’t matter for followers of the False Prophet and serial murderer. No wonder things are going bad for Hamas.

  24. False prophet? Oh so we are jumping on the religious band wangon? You should read your history about Hamas. They were a charity organisation before they became political. They took care of everything from schools, hospitals, bakeries, shops, youth centers… When Fatah(PLO) failed the people they took over. Unfortunately they were waving the flag for fundamental Islam. But hey Israel is waving the Zionist flag with fundamental Juadism as their basis.
    The issue is that right this minute the death-toll has risen to 804 civilians – over 40% women and children.

  25. no2wars, you are a total dimwit. Yes, I know the size of Gaza. The Gaza/ Isralie border is 51 km. The Gaza borders the sea for about 45 km. The Gaza/Egyptian border is 11km.

    Are you telling me that Gaza could not get supplies by shipping or through the Egptian border?

    Perhaps you should go to Gaza and tell Hamas to quit using women and children as cover. Perhaps you should listen to the imams in Gaza telling women and children that is it their DUTY to protect the jihad warriors. Perhaps Hamas shouls stop bombing Isreal from schools and hospitals.

    And since you are such a smart guy, and know the situation in Gaza, perhaps you would be glad to tell everyone on this board why Hamas destroyed 3,000 greenhouses that was turned over to them that would have not only provided jobs, but enought food for the entire Gaza strip? Or really reaseach Hamas and learn that they are a spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood, a violent, anti-Isreal organization that wants the total destruction of Israel. And then you would find out that their most famous alumnii is al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden’s right hand man.

    Before you shoot off you no2war peace loving mouth, perhaps you should become educated first. Or maybe go to Gaza and convince Hamas to quit sending rockets into Israel and honor the cease fire they violated. When people like you take a stand, you only wind up proving how really stupid you are.

  26. some of the megaphone trolls are easy to spot in here. they keep saying the same bs line about hamas using kids for shields. lame…

  27. The ‘right’ to protest doesn’t mean the right to cause bodily harm and destruction of property. Hate… should not rule in democracy. Pro-Palestinian protesters have no respect for Norwegian law.

  28. THE HOLOCAUST COMMITTED BY THE STATE OF ISRAEL AGAINST THE HELPLESS PALESTINIANS MAKES HITLER A MODERATE MASS MURDERER ! IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT ISRAEL IS FOLLOWING THE NAZI BLUEPRINT,ELIMINATING THE PALESTINIANS WITH UTMOST CRUELTY. AS HITLER FAILED TO WIPE OUT THE JEWS SO WILL ISRAEL. GREAT NORWEGIANS PLEASE ACCEPT MY SALUTE FOR STANDING UP AGAINST THE CRIME COMMITTED BY ISRAEL AGAINST HUMANITY.

  29. Israel has a right to defend itself from the missile attacks which have been constant and unchecked from their neighbors. If people want to end the war in Gaza it is a simple solution. Stop sending missiles into Israel.

    Long live Israel

  30. THE ROCKETS WILL NOT FALL IF ISRAEL LEAVES THE ARAB LAND THAT IT HAS BEEN OCCUPYING FOR 60 YEARS. THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOT A THREAT TO ISRAEL. IT IS THE ZIONIST-ISRAEL THAT IS A THREAT TO THE PALESTINIANS AND THE WORLD AS A WHOLE. CREATE TWO STATES AND LET THE ISRAELIS AND THE PALESTINIANS LIVE PEACEFULLY AS NEIGHBORS. THE ROCKETS ARE LAUNCHED IN DESPERATION BECAUSE ISRAEL IS NOW MAINTAINING THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION CAMP IN THE WORLD; GAZA. ONE MORE POINT, IT WAS ISRAEL WHICH HELPED HAMAS IN THE PAST TO WEAKEN ARAFAT’S POSITION. WHEN YOU PLAY WITH FIRE BE PREPARED TO FEEL THE BLOW BACK. ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT ISRAEL IS JUST RESPONDING TO ROCKET ATTACK IS WILLFULLY BENDING THE TRUTH. THE ROCKETS ARE PROTESTS AGAINST PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST COMMITTED BY THE STATE OF ISRAEL. TO STOP THE FIRING OF ROCKETS STOP THE KILLING OF THE INNOCENT CHILDREN, WOMEN AND MEN.

  31. wow. this is really amazing! im surprised because you wouldnt expect norway to be doing so much. it does not have a very sizeable arab population, so this is not expected, but it goes to show that humanity is everywhere. may Allah bless all those who stand up against injustice!

  32. Wow, just wow

  33. Rezar – thank you for that info about Hamas and Israel. Enlightening.
    If you see one of my earlier posts you will read that the slaughter of the people of Gaza is not about the qassam rockets, but about the gas resources in Gaza which can secure Israel for the next 20 years.
    This discussion is turning ugly. How can people defend the killing of hundreds of civiliands – slaughtered while they sleep or bombed while they sit outside. Supporting the Israeli “war” is supporting genocide.
    And I am not supporting Hamas. I am supporting a peoples right to exist on their land and in peace with their neighbours

  34. […] norge strejkar man mot kriget. det är väl för mycket att hoppas på i svärje, möjligen med undantag för sac som […]

  35. The discussion board is filled with typical apologists for Israeli aggression. The usual lies and myths propelled that have been dismissed by none other than Israeli historians themselves. The myth of a land without people for a people without land is one of those racist statements that is worse than Nazi ideology. For Nazis Jews and gypsies etc were subhuman but for Zionists there exist no such thing as Palestine or the Palestinians. Hence their murder in cold blood and no one bats an eye lid.

    Hamas rockets are to be compared with dispossession, ethnic cleansing of Palestinians who are under occupation since 41 years. Daily killings. house demolitions, check points designed to humiliate and the land annexation. The key is to end the occupation for a lasting peace otherwise all out murder in Gaza has made the situation worse than it already was.

    And those trying to justify war insult the peace movement in Norway, should remember how Jews were butchered in Warsaw Ghetto By the Nazis and allied forces did not help them. Anyone with slight humanity left in them will protest the massacre in Gaza.

  36. Why don’t you idiots tell the truth about Hamas terrorists? Palestinians are nothing more than a proxy army for the Muslim states that have sworn the destruction of Israel, and the Muslim Dome of the Rock is built atop two Jewish temples. So, who are the occupiers? Tell the truth!

  37. Sansa Majeed is 100% correct. The Poles/Jews in Warsaw had to fight for themselves to at least try to deter the Nazis while the Polish Army fought the Russians and Germans.

    No one helped those in Warsaw, but everybody still opposed the Nazis (well most people), Israel is doing the same exact thing, killing people in a cage.

  38. […] Norway: political train strike for GAZA today […]

  39. […] international community. However there is some hope coming out of the situation. There have been massive protests in Norway, and the Managing Director of a VOIP company emailed Israeli MobileMax to say they can no longer do […]

  40. I am so proud of beeing a Norwegian. I`m so proud of living in a country where people can spot trouth and unjustice. Seeing all the people gathering in the streets make me belive in a bether world where the political games of the big nations does not kill small children. Amerericans says “God bless you” all the time, but I can see small evidence of God in that country, and much evidence of the opposite. So let me say it to somebody who actually desverve it : God bless the norwegians! And the childen that are suffering. God bless all the poeple who is hurting and feel bad, sad and seek to their bones of what is happening right now.

    There is to much unjustice in the world today. Fight it !!!

  41. …and let me add : Dont fight it with violence and bombs, fight it with spirit and beliving in human rights. Fight it with your opinions and set a higher stand for your belives.

    Somebody further up hier wrote : I`m amazed because the palestinans burned the norwegian flag 2 years ago. Wel, so what? Let them burn it, I would still fight for them to live. I would still fight for their children. Because its not only them I fight for, it is me children and humanity I fight for, and I belive most norwegians do to.

  42. Norwegians demonstrate for Palestinians who see unable or unwilling to ever recognise Israel even existing but tens of thousands died last year in Darfur and you Europeans blinded by race do not see these voiceless people but instead demonstrate in your thousands in support of a terrorist organistion, Hamas…Good show. Your priorities are so very typical of people who have not seen events up close. Gaza is the size of a parking lot and the number killed or injured is a bad weekend in the deserts of Sudan. Get some perspective. There would not have been a need for Israel if European fascists including those in Norway if I might add had not obliterated most of the future Israeli denizens or at the end of the war found homes for these millions who finally settled in what is now Israel. Curiously no one talks about the fact that Palestinians have no deeper roots in Israel proper than the present Israelis as many did not come from this area in the first place and more importantly why did their Arab neighbors who they call their brothers NOT offer them a place to llve forever as citizens of their country? They were made permanent displaced persons. How naive you Europeans are! Palestinians were driven out of how many areas so far and why? They tried to overthrow the legitimate government of Jordan twenty years after assassinating his late father who wanted to recognise Israel, that is why they ended up in Syria and dispersed elsewhere in Libya. What about Hezbollah in Lebanon. They are feared by the Lebanese themselves. They are just another branch plant of Iran, just as is Hamas. If they wanted their own country why did they turn hands down under the corrupt leadership of Arafat when they had their chance. No…a lifetime of war has turned all the combatants in the area into neurotic war damaged people who can not recognise the idea of peace. Electing the fanatic Hamas guaranteed this confrontation but Euros are so ignorant of the facts on the ground and so open to their propaganda just as they were to Hitler, if I might poke you folks with a stick that once again a terrorist organisation who puts their children out in front of them like the cowards they are and who welcome their so called martyrdom so that Norwegians will demonstrate against Israel who has had bloody enough being shot at with thousands of missiles whilst Norwegians and other Europeans turned a blind eye to continued attack during the so called truce in which Hamas rained these random missiles on Israeli farms and towns or to the Sudanese for that matter. In fifty years when Europe is dominated by people as one sided and blind as Hamas, you will, too late, understand who you have supported…The US and Russia and China do know and will be living in a future that Europe will have lost. The support of Hamas and Hezbollah and the Taliban are the beginning of the end of Europe and you people will be seen as responsible for the beginning of its end. When religion and ignorant and false history dominates policy as it does in Gaza and it seems in Europe and you are in big trouble. Enjoy your freedoms while they last.. Hamas does not represent Palestinians but only the extremes and fringe elements and they took over a parking lot, Gaza, and caused this grief purposely in order to get suckers such as you to support them.I suggest Norwegians get off the beach on their holidays and see the way orthodox religions treat their citizens. You just might not see the conflict in the Middle East quite the same way.

  43. The Hamas Covenant is an agreement to kill every Jew on the face of the earth, to re-conquer every square inch of land ever ruled by a Muslim regime, and to engage in an advertising campaign to convince Muslims that they have a religious duty to kill their neighbors.

    Read it for yourself. http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP109206

  44. […] week waren er indrukwekkende acties in andere landen. Werkelijk prachtig was het nieuws uit Noorwegen: grote demonstraties daar tegen de Israelische aanvallen in 28 steden, alleen al in de hoofdstad […]

  45. I’ve noticed that some people who don’t even dare to give themselves a free name and prefer to remain in the shadow ,just like the vempires they’re supporting,are still shewing the same old shits:hamas,Civilians,rockets..etc.DAMN WILL YOU STOP !These are people defending their land,their children and their right to live with dignity.What do you expect them to do? Give up and wait for blood thirsty zionists to give them Freedom?What kind of freedom is that? The one accorded to Abbas?!!!

  46. I think the problem is that Arabs are always seen as the culprits and the Jews as the victims. Before 1948 the jews were the victims. Today it’s the Muslims, and right this minute the Iraqis, Palestinians and god knows how many other people who want an end to occupation.
    This discussion is about occupation and the right to a homeland. Not about Jews. It is the Israelis who are the aggressors.

  47. I just wonder how Obama will respond to this fighting.

    Israel is gonna do what they want, no matter what the UN says. It’s their country, they have the right to defend their citizens and eradicate any threats. Nobody every piped up when we started bombing terrorists.

    Jordan.
    http://www.theriverjordan.net

  48. Jordan: “…they have the right to defend their citizens and eradicate any threats.”

    Does the “right to eradicate any threat” also apply to those whose citizens are slaughtered BY the state of Israel? By that logic, Hamas’ charter is fully justified.

  49. It reminds me of night of the living dead. Damn, the zombies are real.

  50. Israel will not stop killing poor Palastenians
    and US is doing nothing
    WAKE UP PEOPLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  51. We had a discussion at the university about this issue today. It was interesting to hear the different perspectives, but irritating because the people who talked of the carnage were considered “oversensitive” whilst the pro-Israelis wanted less emotions and more “lets get the job done”

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  54. I am Russian, 73 years old. I remember WW2. I remember what atrocities Germans practiced on Jews, Geepseys and other nations. My country fought alone with terrible enemy. Later England, France and the US joined. About 6 millions Jews were birned in the gas chambers. None train in Norway stopped during that cruel war. In 2001 Arabs-terrorists attacked New York, Pennsylvania. In the twin towers were birned down about 3000 of innocent people. None train anywhere stopped in Norway. Now about those, who claim that their country was occupied by Israel. When that country was created? Did it ever have its own money, its laws? Where did those, so called “Palestinians” have their historical land, where did they come from? What name did that country had? The matter is that Israel supported the lives of those parasites for many years. When Hamas has come to the power, supported by the “innocent civilians,” who brought Hamas to power, the main slogan by Hamas (Gazans) became that the Israel has no right to exist. They did not wait long and started to send missiles on Israel. Israel tolerated for 8 years Gazans’ attacks. Children and other citizens of Israel have been killed by Gazans. But to any patience there is a limit. We have to apploud Israel for retaliating. We have to condemn Israel for waiting for so long.
    When in September of 2001 twin towers fell, all Gazsns danced on the streets, celebraiting the result of the attack of their brothers. Are they really “innocent civilians”? Members of their families voted for Hamas, fought for Hamas, helped Hamas, despite that for Hamas their life is an empty sound – they usually send their missiles on Israel from the very densed with population areas. How Israel could avoid to harm not a militant? The was is a war and Hamas is the one who started it, who intentionally sets its positions in densly populated areas. World must take Hamas accountable for deaths of its people. One of Hamas’ leaders sent his 5 years old son with suiside mission. None train in Norway stood. Arafat said that their main weapon is in their women’s uterus. Indeed. Every man has four wives. Every family has up to twenty children, future Hamas’ soldiers. Israel beries their children, killed by Gazans, Gazans poke thier killed or wounded children in the cameras, looking for sympaties, despite the fact that they are guilty in death of their children. Not a grief, they have a lot of them, and they will give birth to others. They are engaged in babies producing business. Very soon they will start their pretentions to the lands on the neiboring countries, not only Israel. Look, how many of islamists all around the world! Islam! People of the world, thrill with horror! I have a wish to those on the Norway trains that stood in solidarity with Gaza: you, people move closer to the objects of your love – to Gaza.

  55. This is my reply to Lilia’s comment: Your leader Stalin first signed a non-aggression treaty with Hitler and formed an alliance with him -they became enemy when Hitler betrayed.I don’t know how much knowledge you have about history.Norway was attacked by Germany on April 9, 1940. Norway never supported Germany so it is a lie to say that no train stopped in Norway during the war. The Norwegians fought bravely. Your comment is purely a propaganda to justify Israeli brutality. There was no country in the world prior to 1948 that was known as Israel. Israel was created artificially by evicting the Palestinians from their lands. The Israelis were trespassers. They got Israel as a war booty from Britain. Your comment stinks because it is filthy and devoid of any logic and decorum. You called the Palestinians parasites which they are not. You are echoing Hitler who called the Jews parasites. The political Zionists have already surpassed Hitler in brutality. They have been occupying the Arab lands for sixty years, keeping millions of Palestinians in concentration camp like refugee camps. Hitler sent Jews to Gas chambers and now the political Zionists are exterminating innocent children, women and men by using phosphorus,cluster bombs, tank shells, rockets and many other illegal weapons. You justify this killing because Hamas fired rockets to Israel. Well tell me why does Hamas fires rockets to Israel ? Because neither Israel nor anyone like you who is a lapdogs of Israel stopped persecuting the innocent Palestinians. FOR SIXTY YEARS you have been killing them and denying their rights so they have every right to defend them. The Hamas rockets killed 13 Israelis and in response to that Israel killed more that 1300 hundred Palestinians-destroyed thousands of home. SO RUTHLESS IS PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST that the Israelis bombed UN schools, hospitals, mosques. BY DOING THIS Israel is putting more nails on its coffin. Israel is worst than Hitler’s Germany. The political Zionists are fatalistic blood hungry warmonger who have become a threat to the whole world.

    You are so biased and blind with rage that you said that all Palestinians have four wives ! They sent a five year old in suicide mission ! Come on don’t lose your head, tell a believable lie at least. We know Israel has recruited an army of bloggers (The Jerusalem Post reports) to carry out pro-Israeli propaganda but still it has lost the P.R. battle because the truth is clear to the whole world-Israel is the criminal.

    Your contempt, venom and baseless rant against Islam and the Muslims cannot make you a winner because you are telling lies. You are like Hitler’s Goebbels, trying to make a lie look like a truth by repeating it many times.

    Good News that Obama has taken charge of the U.S.A. so the Israeli game will end now. THE PALESTINIAN STATE WILL BORN SOON. Let the Palestinians live freely and with dignity to ensure Israel’s existence otherwise Israel will only live in the history book

  56. Rezaur, your name tells me that you are an Arab, what makes you an automatic supporter of Palestinian terroristic organization. For your knowledge, this fact, that Palestinians is a terrorictic group is recognized by the world. Hamas is a terroristic formation. That is why nobody, even most of muslim countries do not want to make their hands dirty by communicating with Hamas. It is impossible to negotiate with a maniac, who only wants to do is to kill. If Hamas prefers peacefull hegotiations instead of killing, many differences would be reconsiled between Gaza and Israel. But what Hamas wants is only to convince the world that Israel’s people have no right to live. Israel is a lawfull country, the Britain gave it to Israel. Before that the contemporary Israel land was a British colony. None of Arabs countries wanted this part of our planet, it was a dead place. Britain wanted to give this piece of desert to Israel. Jews converted this desert to a florished garden. After what has been done by hard working hands of Jews, by their genious, now the bandits, who came there from many different parts of Arabs world, most of them were deported for their violent actions, now they want this Edem for themselves. As any other terrorist.

    Again, you cannot negotiate with a terrorist, who wants to kill you. The only rescue from his actions is to kill the enemy.

    I guess, Rezaur, you have the same mentality as a terrorist. I pitty you because the hate, which feeds you, will never overcome the truth, which motivated me to answer you.

    Lilia.

  57. Rezaur, your name tells me that you are an Arab, what makes you an automatic supporter of Palestinian terroristic organization. For your knowledge, this fact, that Palestinians is a terroristic group is recognized by the world. Hamas is a terroristic formation. That is why nobody, even most of Muslim countries do not want to make their hands dirty by communicating with Hamas. It is impossible to negotiate with a maniac, who only wants to do is to kill. If Hamas prefers peaceful negotiations instead of killing, many differences would be reconciled between Gaza and Israel. But what Hamas wants is only to convince the world that Israel’s people have no right to live. Israel is a lawful country; the Britain gave it to Israel. Before that the contemporary Israel land was a British colony. None of Arabs countries wanted this part of the planet, it was a dead place. Britain gave this piece of desert to Israel. Jews converted this desert to a flourishing garden. After what has been done by hard working hands of Jews, by their genius, now the bandits, who came there from many different parts of Arabs world, most of them were deported for their violent actions, now they want this Edam for themselves. As any other terrorist.

    Again, you cannot negotiate with a terrorist, who wants to kill you. The only rescue from his actions is to kill the enemy.

    I guess, Rezaur, you have the same mentality as a terrorist. I pity you because the hate, which feeds you, will never overcome the truth, which motivated me to answer you.

    Lilia.

  58. And Lilia youare telling me that you ar enot full of hate? I suggest you go back and reread what you have written. It is something out of Mein Kampf except attacking Muslims and Palestinians.

    Did you say you are 71? More like 12!

  59. This is to no2wars. You are lost in your thinking because you do not possess enough information. Many ignorants feed you with their ignorance and you believe them. You think they know better. You look to me like a person who wants to know the truth in its roots. I would like to refer you to a very educational book by Abba Eban, the title of the book is “Heritage”. It has a subtitle “Civilization and the Jews”. This is a story of a small people with a large place in the destiny of mankind. There are about 14 million Jews in the world, a small fraction of the human family. They have never had much power or space or size; yet we cannot recount the history of civilization without coming face to face with what the Jews have thought and felt and written and done.

    The Jews trace their history back 4,000 years, to the time when their ancestor Abraham migrated into Canaan from the land between the two rivers the Tigris and the Euphrates. Generations later, their leader Moses took them out of Egypt, where they experienced the transcendent vision of a single God set above nature – a vision that rebelled sharply against the confused and chaotic superstitions of the surrounding pagan world.

    After a few centuries of settled national life in their own country, in the kingdoms of Judah and Israel, their land was conquered, the people exiled and dispersed. From this time onward, we find the Jews in every age and to a greater or lesser degree on every great continent, sometimes closed in upon their own life and legacy, sometimes pouring themselves into the oceans of other civilization, always creating, suffering, resisting, and above all, surviving in their own form and image.

    Why do we tell this story? We tell it because of its constant drama, but also because the whole of history has been powerfully agitated by the currents of the Jewish mind. And from that story the Jews take this lesson: There is salvation and significance for the Jew only when he stands straight and aims high within his own authentic frame of values.

    What are those values, and what kind of people are the Jews, who fashioned them? The answers lie in the history of every land and of every age.

    The above text is a small part of the beginning of the book. The very book is very interesting and gives important historical answers to an inquisitive mind.

    And by the way, no2wars, I am 73. I have read a lot in my life, and now I try to follow Internet news every day. I am retired, so now I have time for this. My very best to you, no2wars.

    Lilia.

  60. Bla bla bla….
    4000 years.. bla bla bla…….
    Anient history is being used as an excuse to committ genocide. I suggest you read an excellent book by an Israeli author ILAN PAPPE, The cleansing og Palestine.
    Also I suggest you read the testimonies of Israeli refusniks who refuse to serve in the Israeli army because of the brutality.
    To hell with ancient history. Lets talk about now. Yes lets talk about the world since after the forst world war.
    Since you are such a defender of the vampires sitting in the Knesset then I suggest that you pick up a gun too and start shooting babies in the face and shooting families in the head and back. Wouldnt that make you feel so proud.

  61. No, no2wars, this was an explanation of where, when and by whom the civilization has begun, whose land it was from the very beginning. The Moses received the Ten Commandments on the mountain Sinai, which are the moral laws for the most of the humankind on Earth up to now. The Jews gave the world Bible, the written history and the wisdom, and, by the way, Jesus Christ was a Jew too.
    I did not read anything of Ilan Pappe. The contemporary authors are all politicized, and in their books they reflect their own views. But the Bible is eternal forever. Abba Eban was a great historian and philosopher. Find about him on the Internet. “Heritage” is the very history, based on many written proves and ancient art illustrations, which he lists in his book.
    Do not try to insult me; it will not make our exchange of opinions more productive. Really knowing people do not insult an opponent, they use their knowledge to substantiate the historical facts.
    I hope now you have learnt already who was there the first – Arabs or the Jews, whose land it was from the very beginning, and whose pretentions for contemporary Jewish State on the ancient Judah’s land are fair. The above listed facts overturn the Arabs’ statements of whose land it was from the very beginning. Jews returned to their land after it was taken from them away many centuries ago by the conquerors like ancient Rome.
    As I see, you are not a prepared opponent. Get some more knowledge from historical books like “Heritage” and others. And be grateful for a kind advice.

    Lilia.

  62. I am honestly not going to waste my breath discussing with you so yes bla bla bla….is all you are coming with.. Nothing but pure zionist propaganda

  63. no2wars, I am not a Zionist, I am Russian, remember? How can I be involved in Zionism? Zionism is a belief, that Jews must come back to the mountain Sinai and live on that land, where lived their ancestors. This is what Zionism proclaims, nothing else.
    Now let’s come to the topic to which you are looking for answers.
    Let’s pretend you are the head of the government of Israel. Israel people come to you and complain that Gazans through their missiles on their children, their families, their homes. Not one time, not one day or year. Eight years every day! What would you do? How would you help your people? How can you stop Gazans? You do not want to fight; you do not want another war. So, you decide to send a representative to OON and explain that you are subject to an everyday terror. You ask for help. At your frantic complaints there is no reply, there is no any help from anywhere. Gazans continue launching their missiles without stopping. They already killed and wounded several people and kidnapped an Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. You do not know what to say to his family, they want information and actions from you. President-Elect Barack Obama, during his visit to Israel said that if someone launches missiles on his children’s bedroom, he would do anything to stop the enemy. What would you, no2wars, have done? Yours and others families of the country are in a constant danger, under terror. And you have no way to stop the shooting no matter what you do or say to the world. Hamas does not want to negotiate with you. And what is to negotiate about? He wants to kill you and your people only because you are Jews, you and other Israelis have no right to live. So will you ask Hamas for mercy? It will not stop him. A beast is a beast, he wants to kill. Your country is much stronger than your enemy’s, but you know that if you retaliate it is impossible to avoid death of the enemy’s children, who your neighbor uses as a human shield. You do not want to fight, you do not want to kill anyone, but your neighbor instigates you, continuing shooting. No2wars, please tell me, what you would do in such situation. If you do not act, you, your family and all people of your state would continue to suffer and be subjected to a constant deadly danger. How would you act? How would you be able to keep peace if your neighbor does not want it?

    Lilia.

  64. If I was Israeli? I would use logic and ask myself what have I done that has caused a people to want to fire homemade rockets into civilian territories. I would look at the over 400 resolutions condemning Israels actions and ask whether the reason lies there. I would also ask whether Israel has created this “beast” as you call it.

  65. And then what would you change? You and your people have right to leave. You want to live peacefully, and you want peace and security for your children and your state. You know that your right to live makes Gazans mad. Only because you and your people are Jews. I do not know any other existing resolution but to cease the fire. You ceased the fire, but the cunning neighbor continues to shoot. He killed another Israeli soldier and critically wounded three other civilians. And the only what he insists on is that he is sure that you do not have right to live. He hates you not because you took something from him or done something wrong to him, he just hates you. And he wants to kill you. What would you do? Come on, no2wars, you just want your word to be the last one. You cannot and you do not want to believe in the only single existing reason for Hamas hatred, that is,the Israel Jewishness. But you are not alone. All the Norway trains have stopped not because of Hamas’ atrocities against its own people, but because the Jews showd their strength and dared to retaliate. All Anti-Semites around the world cannot accept the fact, that Israel dared to show its dignity, its integrity. No, they will not permit it to Jews! Anyone but not the Jews! I like that you saying no to wars. Unfortunately, as I said before, you cannot keep peace, no matter how hard you try, if your neighbor does not want it.

    I think of you as of a young person. I think that you have no your own family yet. Later, when you have your own children, your own home, your family, the most important what a person may have in his life, I am sure, your attitude to many things will change. Then you will recall the old Russian lady, who corresponded with you patiently, like a teacher. Keep your mind open, be objective and fair. Maybe sometime in the future you will fall in love with a beautiful and clever Jewish girl, who will explain to you in her beautiful English many things, which you did not want to accept from me. It may happen! Never say never! Good luck!

    Lilia.

  66. Is this person suppose to be educated or an author. Sounds to me like a badly spoiled child having a temper tantrum to have his way
    ********Bla bla bla….
    4000 years.. bla bla bla…….
    Anient history is being used as an excuse to committ genocide. I suggest you read an excellent book by an Israeli author ILAN PAPPE, The cleansing og Palestine.
    Also I suggest you read the testimonies of Israeli refusniks who refuse to serve in the Israeli army because of the brutality.
    To hell with ancient history. Lets talk about now. Yes lets talk about the world since after the forst world war.
    Since you are such a defender of the vampires sitting in the Knesset then I suggest that you pick up a gun too and start shooting babies in the face and shooting families in the head and back. Wouldnt that make you feel so proud.
    *********
    no2wars said this on 30/01/2009 at 11:57 am

    no2wars, I really appreciate the way you pick and choose your evidences to support your point and, if there needs to be for justification permitting “hate mail,” you fit it. You are sophisticated; if you have the ability to discern the truth, then you know I just insulted you intentionally. The root of original meaning of “sophisticated” came from the Greek word “sophism” a club of cultured men that practiced the art of deceiving with words, today we call them sophisticated politicians. You read your bible, whatever you choose to call it, and skip over everything to find support for your cause: Unfortunately, so do the Jews and Christians of whom I am the one. I don’t know how far back your religious history is supported with original proofs but the Jews go back thousands of years. Christian history depends on pre Christ Jewish history for its roots.

    Raymond

  67. NO2WARS: Thank you for your stand against the bogus propaganda by the Israeli agents. Look, the so-called Russian 73 years old LILIA. This coward does not have the courage to use her true identity and give a meaningful reply to my allegations of ISRAELI barbarism against the Palestinians. Instead, she said ” Rezaur, your name tells me that you are an Arab, what makes you an automatic supporter of Palestinian terroristic organization. For your knowledge, this fact, that Palestinians is a terrorictic group is recognized by the world”

    First of all Rezaur is not an Arabic name. This fool does not know that you cannot judge a person’s religious, political or philosophical mind frame by looking at his/her name. BARACK Hussein Obama’s name does not prove that he is a Muslim. Barack & Obama are African names and Hussein is an Arabic name. The name Barack is a distortion of Arabic name Baraka. On the other hand Ehud Barak is not a Muslim. The word Barak has its root in Hebrew. So, you see only the worst stupid of this earth will judge a person by his name.

    Moreover this Israeli propagandist has said that as my name suggests that I am an Arab so it automatically makes me a supporter of the Palestinian terrorists. This is antisemitism because the ARABS are also semitic people. So Lilia’s comment is absolutely antisemitic. She is racist,ignorant, simmering with anger and devoid of any logic or good sense. She supports the murderers, the ISRAELI HITLERS. She is just a ISRAELI NAZI in the clock of disguise. I see no point for a continuing civilized discourse with a representative of the savage Israelis like Lilia whose main aim is to wag her tail for her pay masters. DENOUNCE this ZIONIST KILLERS. We have no hatred against Jews or the country of Israel but definitely against anyone who kills the innocent Palestinians and treat them like animals.

    This LILIA does not know that the Palestinians are a nation. It is not a group. She said “Palestinians is a terroristic group”

    One more thing , do not lecture us about Christianity, Judaism and Islam. We know about these great religions more than you know. Do not also argue whether the Jews had been in the middle East first or the Palestinians. The real question is Israel was founded illegally in 1948 by evicting Arabs. There was no Israel before that. Even though Israel was born as an illegitimate child it is now accepted as an adult. Israel has the right to exist and we must ensure that. However if Israel keeps on bullying and killing the Palestinians then its existence will be at stake.

    LILIA the paid propagandist is singing the old song. She says HAMAS wants to destroy Israel so Israel fights HAMAS. Well there was a time when the Israelis said that PLO wanted to destroy Israel. As long as PLO carried out the fight against Israeli aggression and brutality the Israeli government tried to portray PLO as a terrorist organization. After finding no alternative it finally signed the Oslo accord but ultimately refused to create a viable Palestinian state. PLO became weak and Israel shelved the plan of creating any state for the Palestinians. Now when Hamas started the struggle for freedom Israel once again sprang into killing spree. Tell me if HAMAS recognizes Israel, will Israel leave the Arab land for creating a lasting peace ? PLO recognized Israel and in return got nothing.

    So all the Israeli Zionists please listen, there are good Jews in Israel and all over the world who are appalled to see the atrocity committed by the Israeli military. Read the reports of the B’Tselem , the Israeli Human Rights Organization (www.btselem.org/English/index.asp). This report is produced by the Israelis and not the Palestinians. SHAMELESS LILIA, if you and anyone in your propaganda group has one percent human soul you should feel ashamed of your conduct. You are worst than HITLER’s propaganda group.

    SO, SHAME ON YOU, THE SUPPORTERS OF THE ISRAELI KILLERS, THE INCARNATION OF HITLER, SHAME ON YOU FOR CAUSING PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST, REMEMBER, THE WORLD HATES YOU DIRTY ROGUES. THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY CLOSING ON YOU AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO FLEE. IN AMERICA AND U.K, AND IN CANADA AND OTHER COUNTRIES MOVEMENT FOR BOYCOTTING ISRAELI ACADEMICS IS GROWING. YOUR FRIEND ERDOGAN, CHAVEZ AND EVEN BLAIR IS SINGING IN A DIFFERENT TUNE. AND WONDERFUL OBAMA WILL KICK ON YOUR BUTT AND FORCE YOU TO KNEEL DOWN.

    SHAME ON YOU, THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED TO FOLLOW THE NAZIS, SHAME ON YOU THAT YOU SHOWED UTMOST DISRESPECT FOR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES IN THE WW I and II including the Jews.

    “DON’T TAKE THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOUR OPPONENT HAS TAKEN THE RIGHT SIDE.”

    SHAME LILIA, SHAME ON ANYONE IN YOUR GROUP WHO IS SUPPORTING THE ISRAELI HITLERS. YOU HAVE STILL TIME TO PURIFY YOUR SOUL THAT YOU HAVE SOLD TO HITLER.

  68. For 5 weeks now I have been debating people on the Israeli-Palestine conflict either in blogs, panel debates or cups of coffee. It has come to a point where I say enough is enough. Why waste my energy disputing with pro-zionists and “anti-muslimists” who are totally unaware of their own prejuidices, who only spewing up the same lies as the Israeli propaganda machines.Why have an intelligable conversation with two people who cannot think outside their little boxs. So what if the Jews lived in the area 1000s of years ago? So Lila and Raymond do defend the rights of native Americans who ruled America 250 years ago to have their land back? Do you also defend the right of Africans who were shackled and shipped to USA to be returned with FULL COMPENSATION to the previous generations? And do you defend the rights of the Aborigines to have Australia back?

    Rezaur excellent points. You have worded things beautifully that I feel I have nothing further to add. Please read my other posts – always appreciate your input and reflections.

  69. LILA WROTE: I do not know any other existing resolution but to cease the fire. You ceased the fire, but the cunning neighbor continues to shoot. He killed another Israeli soldier and critically wounded three other civilians.

    LILA YOU REALLY ARE BRAINWASHED. Israel broke the ceasefire. Read:
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/1230/1230581467173.html
    “IN JUNE, Israel agreed a six-month ceasefire with Hamas. Until December 27th, no Israeli, civilian or military, was killed as a result of rocket or mortar fire from Gaza.
    None. Not one. And there was very little rocket or mortar fire out of Gaza until Israel broke the ceasefire in early November”.

    November 2008: Israel breaks ceasefire:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

    CNN confirms Israel broke ceasefire:

    And here is the voice of Israelis who refuse to serve in the Israeli army:

  70. Raymond why dont you join some zionist website… better stil Im sure there exists an Israeli-Nazi website where you can play video games where you slaughter Palestinians for fun. Its right up your alley

  71. The best way to irritate an Israeli agent like Raymond and Lilia is to ask them to answer truthfully about the Israeli barbarism against the Palestinians. They would never answer your questions but will keep on repeating irrelevant facts. If you criticize an Israeli solder as a murderous Jew, Raymond and Lilia will immediately cry “Antisemitism…Jew hating …” The fact is an Israeli soldier is certainly a Jew, this is a fact. But we will not denounce him as a Jew because his religion is irrelevant in assessing his crime. When the Israeli propagandists claim that the Gazans must be punished because they elected HAMAS and therefore they all are a legitimate targets the same erroneous argument can be used to support the killing of any Israeli because all Israelis are soldiers and therefore there is nothing wrong in sending them to hell. This does not sound right because it is not right. There are millions of Israelis who do not support Israeli atrocity and therefore every Israeli cannot be called a criminal.

    If Israel can wage war and occupy the Arab lands for 60 years and treat the Palestinians worst than what Hitler did to Jews then the Gazans have every right to take up arms against Israel. As we did not tolerate Hitler’s Germany we must not tolerate Zionist Israel. Israel has the right to exist only if it allows the Palestinians to live.If Hamas says that no matter Israel must be destroyed, we will not support that. The Israel and Palestinians must recognize each other. Israel has so far refused to allow the Palestinians to create a VIABLE state.

    Look, the apparent nice facade of Raymond has disappeared when he failed to give a proper reply to the allegations of Israeli Barbarism. THIS GUY EVEN CALLED THE MUSLIMS THE BASTARD OFFSPRING OF ABRAHAM. Well I will not call Raymond a Bastard Jew or whatever. It will be in appropriate and indecent.

    REMINDER:

    THE POLITICAL ZIONISTS, ISRAELI PROPAGANDISTS, THE CREATOR OF PALESTINIAN HOLOCAUST, THE ISRAELI-NAZIS , THE MASS MURDERERS, THE OCCUPIER, THE AGGRESSOR, THE BABY KILLERS, YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED… THE WORLD HATES YOU….GO AND MOVE AROUND THE WORLD AND SEE HOW BILLIONS OF PEOPLE HATE ISRAEL. YOU ARE THE MOST HATED NATION ON THE WORLD…YOU SURPASSED THE ANCIENT ASSYRIANS AND THE MODERN AGE NAZIS IN COMMITTING CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

  72. Hi to you all GAZA need your Help http://www.petitiononline.com/GAZA0109/petition.html

  73. Israel will win.

  74. ISRAEL IS ALREADY DEFEATED HOW CAN IT WIN ? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NAZIS AND THE ISRAELI LEADERS WHO WAGED UNPRECEDENTED BRUTALITY AGAINST THE PALESTINIANS. ISRAEL IS FOLLOWING HITLERS BLUEPRINT TO ANNIHILATE THE PALESTINIANS COMPLETELY BUT IN DOING SO IT IS BECOMING THE MOST HATED COUNTRY OF THE WORLD.

  75. Do the candles still burn?

  76. You stop your trains and lose income; you are ignorant nation, which does not know, that there was never such a state as Palestine, which is populated with those, who was expelled from other Arab’s countries for their criminal way of life . None of Arab’s countries wants them back. You take them to Norway, to your own home and share it with Gazanians. Your trains standing will not convert Gaza’s people from hateful to peaceful people. And it is great disgrace to all of you that you support victimization of Israel instead of supporting this great country! I damn all those, who support wrong side! Some time in the nearest future, when you will be overpopulated with Arabs, it will come to you how stupid you are.

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